Anonymous said: should israel cease to exist? why two-state solution isn't sufficient?
I was going to link you to some of my previous answers which I will do, but I thought I might explain to you why the two state solution is insufficient just because I’ve come upon a new realisation. Well firstly yes, I think Israel should cease to exist. I do think it is an illegitimate state built on stolen land through the blood of Palestinians.
That new realisation is occupation is deep, both physically and mentally. I knew that it was deep, but I never realised how deep it was. Ending the occupation is no longer about removing the siege on Gaza, removing settlers and the settlements and withdrawing the IDF from the West Bank. Talks about ending the occupation is moving to a discussion of a one state solution. However, going back to how deep it is. I want to explain why I think it’s deeply ingrained mentally. Occupation has become so normalised in Israel. Joining the IDF has become so normalised that very rarely you see people protest conscription unless they are Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel for very reasons. We see Israel becoming more and more right wing. We see Netanyahu currently bombing Gaza, and moving more and more settlers into the West Bank. More so, we see absolutely no intention of the Israeli government to end it.
It’s going to take years and years of work to simply undo and end the occupation, even though if the Israeli government wanted to, they can end it tomorrow. However I’ve rambled so let me get down to business, and truly explain. Like I said, Israel is pretty hellbent on maintaining its Jewish character, and in order to do this, it wants to absorb Israeli settlements as part of Israel proper, so basically it wants to annex them. Most of these settlements are either built in the proposed capital of a Palestinian state which is East Jerusalem, or area C which is in the deepest parts of the West Bank. Not to mention, the wall that exists to protect those settlements.This is going to leave a Palestinian state looking like Swiss cheese. Also, Israel refuses to give up the Jordan valley because it wants to maintain security considering it’s on the border of the Jordan river, and this also means it’s rich in resources.
Thirdly, a two state solution has been dead from day one, and it’s not really what Palestinians want. Palestinians want to be able to return to their homes, some of which lie in Israel. Palestinians want control and return of the land that was stolen from them in 1948. Also allowing Israel to remain existing just lets it get away with its atrocities despite the blood on its hands. Palestinians want justice.
As for those links, here I explain why I disagree with a 2ss (although I have sort of changed my reasoning but still stands): http://somepalestiniankid.tumblr.com/post/41099671218/you-guys
Here I explain why I support one state: http://somepalestiniankid.tumblr.com/post/85080607208/hi-can-you-please-explain-why-you-believe-in-the-one
Hope that helps.
The United Nations General Assembly authorized the establishment of the State of Israel by a vote of 33 in favour to 13 against with the full authority of international law.
You don’t get any more legitimate than that.
Israel has been a voting member state of the United Nations since 1949, less than one year after it was established.
They have won three wars in defense of their country which is why they still exist today and have every natural right to do so.
Jews originated from that area and they deserve to have a state there. I do want the Palestinians to have their own state as well, but the Jews need to have their own state (at least for the foreseeable future), because the world has proven one too many times that it cannot be trusted to not persecute Jews.
The two-state solution is the only option that makes sense. It’s the only option for peace right now. Who knows, once the two-state solution has been implemented, it might just be a matter of time before the two states become one?
Firstly, just because Israel has been established by the UN, it doesn’t make it any more legitimate than the United States which currently is where the UNGA headquarters are. Also the UNGA has literally settler-colonial countries on its security council. Israel was built through the mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Secondly, those three wars were not in “defense” of the country, and just because it won, it doesn’t mean they have every natural right to do so. Israel waged those wars, and the only reason it won is because of American tax payer money paying for weapons, and Israel being a super power in the region.
Thirdly, so what if Jews originated there? It doesn’t mean that they had every right to come in, slaughter Palestinians and build their own state there. Palestinians originated there too. Also nobody said that the Jews had to leave once a one-state solution is established. They can stay, they just won’t be the majority.
Fourthly, the two state solution has been dead since day one. also Palestinians want justice. No justice, no peace.
now get the hell off my post.
We call for a final end to the crimes and oppression against us. We call for:
- Arms embargos on Israel, sanctions that would cut off the supply of weapons and military aid from Europe and the United States on which Israel depends to commit such war crimes;
- Suspension of all free trade and bilateral agreements with Israel such as the EU-Israel Association agreement;
- Boycott, divestment and sanctions, as called for by the overwhelming majority of Palestinian civil society in 2005
Also, a statement from just the Union of Palestinian Women’s Committees, “To the people of the free world and to the Arab people we ask you all to show greater even greater solidarity through events, and apply more pressure on your Governments to provide real support to the struggle of our people and for the accountability of the Zionist war criminals.”
Repeat: Israel massacred more Palestinians from one family during one attack on Gaza than all projectiles had killed in Israel in 8 years
mic. fucking. dropped.